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Switch to: Linear+ johnbuk Mar 1 2004, 09:00 PM Post #1
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Some Info About DVB Cards
I thought I'd start this off with some general info about DVB Cards.
Guides for Setting up ProgDVB and MyTheatre can be found in the posts below.
Please let me know if you find any errors so that I can make changes to these posts. Hope this helps any Newbies who are looking to buy or are trying to set up a DVB Card for the first time.
DVB Cards are probably not for testing newbies (just a word of warning). They are really not that difficult to set up once you have read and understand what you are doing and why you are doing it, but they're not nearly as easy to use for newbies as an atmega or avr.
Here's a quick overview
DVB cards are PCI cards that can be used to decode sat signals using both the card and a software program.
With a DVB Card you need a PC, but you do not need an IRD. You can compare a DVB card to an IRD and the software that runs it to a CAM. An IRD or a DVB card decodes the video, but the CAM or software tells the IRD or DVB Card that it is OK to decode the encrypted video.
There are 2 types of DVB cards.
1- Hardware mode card (the card itself decodes the video, still have to use software to tell the card what to do)- example- the Nexus card. Approximate cost $300. Will work on older PCs. Does not use much in the way of system resources. Most have a TV out. (I'm running a Nexus card on a P3 500 with 128 MD of RAM and only an 8 MB video card.)
2- Software mode card (the card uses your PC to decode video)- example- the Vision Plus 1020. Approximate cost $150. Requires a newer PC and a decent Video Card. Most software cards do not have a TV out, so if you want to hook it up to a TV, you'll need a video card with a TV out.
Software for the cards- DVB cards have been used in Europe for a while, so there is a lot of software available. 2 of most popular programs being used to decode Bev and Dish are MyTheatre and ProgDVB. MyTheatre requires Windows XP and seems to work best for the software mode cards. ProgDVB will run in Windows 98 and seems to work best for hardware mode cards. In addition to this software, you also need a cam emulator plugin. Cam emulator being used by most for Bev and Dish is called MDYankse. Another plugin in is needed to roll the keys. One of the most common plugins being used to roll the keys right now is called Fenrir.
Advantages of DVB card- Lots of software available. Has been used successfully in Europe for a while. Can be used to pick up both Bev and Dish programming. Does not have a TSOP, EEPROM, or CAM to be ECM'd.
Another cool thing about most of the DVB programs are that they allow you to record shows onto your hard drive. My ProgDVB set up records shows straight to the MPEG2 format and these files can be burned directly onto a SVCD or DVD.
Disadvantages- Not as easy to use as some of the other methods of testing. Requires a PC. IMO, the biggest drawback of DVB card is the lack of an EPG that is anywhere near as user friendly as the EPG that is on any of the IRDs.
(EPG = Electronic Programming Guide)
With ProgDVB, I've found a couple of different EPGs that work.
The first one I got came from ProgDVB's web site. It will show you what is currently on a particular channel, but you must be tuned to that channel for it to work. It takes a few clicks to access and only gives you the name of the show that is on. It doesn't make for very good channel surfing.
The second one is called Virtual Remote (VR) and it is a separate program that runs in conjunction with ProgDVB. It reads the EPG from the stream and then puts it in a form similar to what you are used to seeing on your IRD. On my PC, it takes about 5 minutes for Virtual Remote to load the EPG data from Bev and about 30 minutes to load the EPG data from Charlie. According to the programmer of VR, Charlie uses a much more complicated algorithm for their EPG data, so it takes longer to decipher.
My problems with VR:
-While it is loading the EPG data, you can’t watch TV (other than A&E, the channel it automatically turns to when it downloads).
-It’s annoying as hell to be watching TV and then for it to switch to A&E and stay there for 5 to 30 minutes. You can adjust how often VR updates, but once it starts updating, the only way I’ve found to stop it is to Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
-It doesn’t pick up programming info from a lot of channels (it shows that the channel is there, but not what’s on).
-It includes info from sats that I’m not pointed at (for Bev, it always includes all the channels from Nimiq 1 and 2 and for Charlie it includes channels from the 61.5, 100, 119, 128, and 148 birds). It’s kind of annoying to see something that you want to watch, but then when you try and change to that channel, you find out that you’re not pointed at that bird.
I think that my complaints about the EPG may eventually be fixed as the software matures, but what is available now in the way of EPGs sucks. (I don’t have Windows XP, so I haven’t tried MyTheatre. Maybe the EPG support with MyTheatre is better.)
My solution for an EPG is to have an icon on my desktop that links directly to www.zap2it.com. Zap2it won’t change channels for you, but I can quickly call it up and see what’s on. Another option for a web EPG for Dishnet can be found on the Dish Network web site (www.dishnetwork.com). The EPG on the Dish Net site includes PPV info, where the Zap2it site doesn't (but zap2it has a guide for both Bev and Dish).
In some ways with my current set up, it’s kind of like watching cable TV (because of the lack of a true EPG), only I have over a 1000 channels to choose from.
Which DVB card to buy
Which DVB card to buy is a personal preference. Some people love the software cards. I personally have a Nexus hardware card and am very happy with it (the PC I'm running it on is older and probably would not run a software mode card).
Research
Before you decide to buy a card, I'd just suggest that you spend at least a couple of hours doing research. If you go to google and search on DVB cards, you'll find several dealers. Look at their recommendations for PC requirements and make sure your system exceeds the minimum requirements.
DVB = Digital Video Broadcasting
DVB is the video standard that Dish, Bev, and several other providers use.
DTV uses the DSS standard, which I believe is used exclusively by Dave.
I'm starting to read rumors about people who claim to be using a program called TSReader and the Twinhan cards for DTV, but I have yet to see instructions on how to do this and most people will tell you that it can't be done because DSS and DVB standards are incompatible. TSReader is not freeware and will set you back $150 cnd. For info on TSReader, see this web site:
http://www.coolstf.com/tsreader/
Hooking a DVB Card up to Multiple LNBS
As far as hooking up multiple birds, if you decide to buy a DVB card and want to hook it up to multiple LNBs, you'll need what is called a DiSEqC switch instead of a standard multiswitch and unfortunately the 2 are not interchangeable. (A DiSEqC switch that works with your DVB Card will not with an IRD.) UPDATE: I've read posts from a couple of people who state that a standard multiswitch will work with the latest version of ProgDVB, but I couldn't get it to work myself.
DVB is not the same as emulation.
What is normally referred to as emulation is a program that you use on your PC to emulate a smart card. With emulation (or at least what is normally referred to as emulation), you still need an IRD. You also need a cable that runs from your PC to your ird and then some type of interface (often an AVR) to hook that cable up to so that your PC can emulate a smart card and tell your IRD that it is OK to decode the video signal. DVB cards don't require an IRD and operate differently than what is generally referred to in testing as emulation.
Is a DVB card legal?
A DVB card can used to pick up FTA signals. If you go over to www.lyngsat.com, you'll see a list of FTA stations available in North America. Any of the FTA channels that are broadcast in the DVB format should be able to be picked up using a DVB card and the proper LNB and dish (most require a much bigger dish than the little 18 inchers we use for Bev and Charlie).
Some dealers will tell you that DVB cards, unlike other forms of testing, are totally legal. On the surface, this statement is true. If all you are doing with youe DVB card is hooking it up tp your 3 meter dish to view FTA channels, then yes, what you're doing is totally legal. However, what most people are doing with DVB cards here in North America is decrypting the encrypted Bev and Charlie channels and doing that is not any more legal than any other means of testing. (I guess if you were caught with a DVB card you could argue that you were only watching FTA channels.) The nagraket.txt file that is necessary with the current software to decode Bev and Charlie contains key info taken from the provider's cams and I’m sure that they would claim that you are using proprietary info to decode their signals.
DVB Resources:
http://forums.dvbnetwork.com/
http://www.kickinchichen.org/
This site will show you all the Dish channels and which channels are on which bird;
http://ekb.dbstalk.com/dishlist.htm
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johnbuk Mar 1 2004, 09:06 PM Post #2
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Guide to Setting Up ProgDVB
I’m going to assume that you have already pointed your Dish towards the satellite or satellites that you want to use ProgDVB to decode.
If you need a program that will allow you to use your DVB card to help point your Dish, download ProgFinder II from DVB News here:
http://www.prodvb.com/software/ProgFinder2.zip
To use ProgDVB for Dish and/or Expressvu, you need the following 3 files:
1) ProgDVB- can be downloaded here:
http://www.progdvb.com
2) Fenrir- can be downloaded here (from the Bev Files- Other Section here at Dishnewbies):
http://www.dishnewbies.com/Forum/index.php...=post&id=105447
3) ProgDVB_Plugins.zip - can be downloaded here (from the Bev Files- Other Section here at Dishnewbies):
http://www.dishnewbies.com/Forum/index.php...e=post&id=92891
From the ProgDVB_Plugins.zip, you will need the following 3 files:
-Nagrakey.txt
-Yankse.ini
-Either Yankse.dll or Yank_98.dll
(If your OS is Windows 2000 or XP, then use the Yankse.dll file. If your OS is Windows 98 or ME, then use the Yankse_98.dll file. DO NOT use both files, as they will interfere with each other.)
NOTE: DO NOT unzip all of the files that are included with ProgDVB_Plugins.zip, You will only be using the three files from this zip that are mentioned above (and are explained in greater detail below). The rest of the files that are included are old and out-of-date and if you place them in the wrong folders, these files might interfere with the operation of the latest version of Fenrir.
Step 1: Installing ProgDVB:
Install the driver for your DVB card. Drivers can usually be found either on the CD that is generally included with card or at the card manufacturers web site. Drivers for some cards can be found on the ProgDVB web site (www.progdvb.com) by clicking on “Drivers” on the left side of the page.
UPDATE:
A link to the latest drivers (thank to friend11y):
http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/html/mheg5.htm
Run the ProgDVB executable file to install ProgDVB.
For Nexus cards: choose SkyStar1 Hardware mode
For SkyStar2 cards: select SkyStar2
For Nova/Budget cards: Select Budget card
For Nova USB: Select Budget USB
For VisionPlus or Twinhan cards: select Twinhan
Next it will ask which Modules you want to install.
Module Definitions
EPG: Electronic program guide
Scheduler: lets you schedule program recording
WinLirc client: add-on letting you use any remote to control your PC functions (http://winlirc.sourceforge.net/)
Broadcast server: to distribute your feed to other PCs. Only the server PC needs a DVB card.
I’d suggest you check all of the options except for the EPG (the EPG that comes with ProgDVB is not very useable).
Let the installer complete, then start ProgDVB.
Click on the SETTINGS-> Device List
Click on the correct card type and then Click “Start”
For Nexus cards: choose SkyStar1 Hardware mode
For SkyStar2 cards: select SkyStar2
For Nova/Budget cards: Select Budget card
For Nova USB: Select Budget USB
For VisionPlus or Twinhan cards: select Twinhan
Step 2: Configuring DiSEqC and LNB settings:
Click on SETTINGS-> DiSEqC
If you have only one LNB/antenna to your DVB card, select NONE on the DiSEqC box. If you connected many satellites or LNBs to your DVB card, select 1.0 OR 2.0 in the DiSEqC switch box.
Click a green dot, then select ADD LNB or highlight an already configured LNB, and click PROPERTY on the right.
For Expressvu and Dish satellites, the values should be:
Type: Ku or circular
LOF1: 11250
SWITCH: 0
LOF2: 11250
POWER option is when your card powers the LNB. Once done, you are ready to scan your selected satellites.
Under the Satellite pull down menu choose the appropriate satellite.
The 2 Expressvu birds are Nimiq1 (at 91 degrees West) and Nimiq2 (at 82 degrees West).
The 2 main Dish birds are Echostar 7 (at 119 degrees West) and Echostar 6 & 8 (at 110 degrees West).
Dish also has the following birds- Echostar 3 (at 61.5 degrees West), Echostar 9 (at 121 degrees West), Echostar 1 & 2 (at 148 degrees West), and Echostar 4 (at 157 degrees West).
Step 3: Scanning satellites:
Click on Channel list-> Channel Search
and then the LNB which you want to look for channels on.
It will take up to 5 minutes for ProgDVB to scan a satellite for an entire list of channels. While it is scanning, you should see a Quality meter and a Level meter. If the Quality meter is below 100%, then you may need to make minor aiming adjustments to your Dish or else you will either get a choppy picture or you might loose your video all together.
Step 4: Verify that you are able to receive FTA video:
After scanning a satellite, you should see a group of folders on the main page in ProgDVB that look like folders in Windows Explorer. If you click on these folders, you’ll see 4 different types of channels.
Channels that have a Green “V” next to them are FTA video channels.
Channels that have a Red “V” next to them are encrypted video channels.
Channels that have a Green “R” next to them are FTA music channels.
Channels that have a Red “R” next to them are encrypted music channels.
At this point, find a FTA (Free-to-Air) video channel, click on the channel and see if you get video and audio. If not, reread this guide. Make sure that you followed all of the steps. If you can’t get Video and Audio on the FTA channels and are not sure what you are doing wrong, stop here and post a question in the DVB Forum here at Dishnewbies. You must be able to receive the FTA channels before going to any of the next steps.
NOTE: The colors of the channels never change. Even once you are done and are able to view the encrypted channels (which you hopefully will be able to do by the end of this guide), the encrypted channels will still show as being Red.
Step 5: Audio and video settings
Click on Settings-> Audio Video
In this window, you can select how ProgDVB will output sound and video, DirectShow settings, and timeshifting values. Most of the defaults should work fine. The only thing I had to change was Volume Control from Sat TV Card to SB Card and then I had to choose the proper Sound Card settings for my Sound Card in the drop down menu.
Click on Settings-> Device Options
Direct Draw should be set to Surface.
BOB mode should be checked.
For Video out, choose the correct Mode, Standard should be NTSC and stretch mode should be none.
For Options, choose Enable Remote Control, Enable OSD, and NTSC. Set Special inversion to Auto.
NOTE: These are just the settings that work for me. If you are having video problems, try adjusting these settings. The most common mistake that people seem to make is to have PAL chosen instead of NTSC.
Step 6: Viewing the Encrypted channels
Close ProgDVB.
MDYankse- Plugin that actually decrypts the video using the public keys that are pulled from the stream using Fenrir.
You need the following 2 files from the from the ProgDVB_Plugins.zip file:
1) Yankse.ini
2) Either Yankse.dll or Yank_98.dll
(If your OS is Windows 2000 or XP, then use the Yankse.dll file. If your OS is Windows 98 or ME, then use the Yankse_98.dll file. DO NOT use both files, as they will interfere with each other.)
Unzip these 2 files into the same directory where you installed ProgDVB (the default directory is usually c:\ProgDVB\)
Again- DO NOT unzip all of the files from the ProgDVB_Plugins.zip. You will only be using the three files that are mentioned in these instructions. The rest of the files that are included are old and out-of-date and if you place them in the wrong folders, they might interfere with the operation of the latest version of Fenrir.
Nagrakey.txt
Create a subfolder called “Nagra” (without the quotation marks) in the same directory where you installed ProgDVB (this should look something like this c:\ProgDVB\Nagra)
From the ProgDVB_Plugins.zip file, unzip the Nagrakey.txt file into the Nagra subfolder that you created.
Fenrir- Plugin that will pull the public keys from the stream.
The version of Fenrir that you downloaded if you followed my link or directions at the beginning of this post is an executable file that will do most of the installation work for you. The file is not in English, but it is currently working (as of March 1) for both Expressvu and Dish. Run the executable. When you are given the option to choose, choose the folder where you installed ProgDVB (the default directory is usually c:\ProgDVB\).
After Fenrir has installed, open ProgDVB. Choose an encrypted Video Channel. After a minute or two Fenrir should update the keys and you should get video.
The most common mistakes I’ve seen are:
-Incorrect LNB settings (Loft1, Loft2, and Switch settings).
-Forgetting the Nagrakey.txt file (or placing it in the wrong folder).
-Making a mistake while attempting to write your own key file for MDYankse to use (see explanation below).
-Trying to use both Fenrir and a softcam.key file (see explanation below).
Fenrir is not a necessary plugin. Fenrir will pull the public keys from the stream for you and create a file called Nagra.key that will be read by MDYankse. If you do not want the keys to autoroll or if you think that you are having problems with getting Fenrir to run right, then you can delete the Fenrir.dll, Fenrir.ini, and Nagra.key files and create your own Softcam.key file by following the directions in the Guide to MDYankse below. Softcam.key and Nagra.key will interfere with one another, so make sure that you do not have both files in your ProgDVB folder.
Parts of this were taken from the Guide over at DVBMaster.com. (I have not ordered from DVBMaster myself, so I can’t recommend that you order from him. I have heard both good and bad things from people who have dealt with him, but some of this information was taken from his site, so I included his web site address here in order to give him credit for some of this information.)
This was written for Newbies who are trying to set up their cards for the first time. It does not cover everything, but if you follow these directions exactly, it should get you up and running. Please ask questions that you come up with in this forum.
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johnbuk Mar 1 2004, 09:10 PM Post #3
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Guide to Setting Up MyTheatre
I don't have personal experience with myTheatre, but it's my understanding that for any of the DVBCore programs to work with the plugins (including myTheatre), you need a program called MDWrapper. MD Wrapper can be found here:
http://dvbsoft.rvsnet.cz/files/MDWrapper126d.zip
Not having used myTheatre, I can't personally verify that these instructions will work, but here are instructions that I found over on maestra.tv written by a TomS. I modified these instructions slightly because the original post was a bit old and I knew that some of the info was out-of-date. If you're using MyTheatre and you see anything that is incorrect (or if you see anything in the above ProgDVB instructions that is incorrect), please let me know so that I can make changes to this post.
Not everything here will apply to everyones set up, so please use whatever sections of this that are pertinent to your setup (and thanks again to TomS).
I am going to assume that you already have the DVB Card installed and that the drivers are also installed.
Step 1: Check and see if you have any other DVB Software currently installed on your computer if you do uninstall it (some programs load into memory at startup and can conflict with your DVB Card IE: WinDVB, some others will also cause problems so the best idea is to get rid of everything and start fresh) Another good idea is to check to see how many programs are autoloading at windows startup, check and see if your CPU is marginal and you have a lot running automatically (IE: MSN, ICQ, Some Video Utilities) it will affect how well your system will run MyTheater and whether or not it freezes on you.
Step 2: Install MyTheater 2.76 (Install everything, make sure all the boxes are checked) when it asks you if you want an interlaced or de-interlaced picture select interlaced, the next thing that you will have to answer is about audio output, select 2 speaker output, you can change it later.
Once MyTheater is installed you can upgrade the Yankse package by unzipping the file to a location of your choice. Once you have unzipped the file find the following two files Yankse.dll and Yankse.ini you will have to copy these files to C:\Program Files\MyTheatre\MDPlugins, or to wherever you installed MyTheater. By the way you will want the Yankse.dll file for windows XP and not the Yankse_w98.dll.
The next thing you need is the SoftCam.Key file, copy it to the same directory as you copied Yankse to.
Note: Check the contents of the SoftCam.key file by viewing it with notepad, make sure that it has the nagravision keys in it, some copies of SoftCam do not have them.
If the softcam.key file does not have the following lines then it probably isn’t a valid key file.
Either put these lines into it or find a keyfile that has them.
;===============================================================
N 0001 00 BDA67EDB203205B5; Dishnetwork;
N 0001 01 DDE6A7AE3677D4EB; Dishnetwork;
;===============================================================
N 0801 00 82D751E45B979D81; ExpressVu;
N 0801 01 655746143602D8DA; ExpressVu;
;===============================================================
I don’t know if the above keys are valid or not, however you can change the keys by editing the softcam.key file all you need are the current keys as used by the people that are running Testing cards these keys are in the following format and are available on a number of sites on the internet.
Current Keys
Dish Network, changed Feb 10 2004
KEY0: BD A6 7E DB 20 32 05 B5
KEY1: DD E6 A7 AE 36 77 D4 EB
ExpressVu, changed Nov 18 2003
AUX0: 82 D7 51 E4 5B 97 9D 81
AUX1: 65 57 46 14 36 02 D8 DA
To use these keys for Dishnet use the following template
For Key 0
N 0001 00 BDA67EDB203205B5 Key 0 from above with spaces removed
For Key 1
N 0001 01 DDE6A7AE3677D4EB Key 1 from above with spaces removed
I think that by now you can figure out how to create the Bell Keys so you are on your own for that one.
Step 3: Turn off your computer and connect your LNB directly to the DVB card, DO NOT use a diseqc switch yet we will set that up later. Restart your computer.
Step 4: Start MyTheater
MyTheater
MyTheater should start up without any errors, if you get a DVB card failure or a directshow failure refer to step 1. Once MyTheater has started move your cursor over to the video portion of the screen and right click, this will bring up the following menu.
MyTheater Options Menu
Click on general settings, this will bring up a window where you can set general program options, I advise turning off the Timeshift feature until everything has been set up and is running correctly, Do so by clicking on the Timeshift Tab and de-selecting the Enable Timeshift CheckBox (Box is empty). Close the General settings window.
Step 5: Right click on the video screen and select LNB Settings. This brings up a Window showing all your available satellites and their transponders.
Generally I delete all of the satellites, what you do is up to you, but personally I like only the satellites I am interested in being listed, it makes it a lot easier to find what you are looking for.
Step 6: Copy and Paste the following into notepad, save it as Nimiq91.ini, you can do this without closing MyTheater.
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[SATTYPE]
1=91
2=Nimiq 1 (ExpressVU)
[DVB]
0=31
1=12224000,V,20000000,1,100,81
2=12239000,H,20000000,2,60,62
3=12253000,V,20000000,3,100,81
4=12282000,V,20000000,5,80,75
5=12297000,H,20000000,6,60,60
6=12311000,V,20000000,7,100,81
7=12326000,H,20000000,8,60,63
8=12341000,V,20000000,9,80,81
9=12355000,H,20000000,10,60,62
10=12370000,V,20000000,11,100,81
11=12384000,H,20000000,12,60,63
12=12399000,V,20000000,13,100,80
13=12414000,H,20000000,14,60,56
14=12428000,V,20000000,15,100,82
15=12443000,H,20000000,16,60,68
16=12457000,V,20000000,17,80,75
17=12472000,H,20000000,18,60,62
18=12486000,V,20000000,19,100,81
19=12501000,H,20000000,20,80,68
20=12516000,V,20000000,21,80,76
21=12530000,H,20000000,22,60,62
22=12545000,V,20000000,23,80,81
23=12559000,H,20000000,24,80,69
24=12574000,V,20000000,25,80,79
25=12588000,H,20000000,26,60,62
26=12603000,V,20000000,27,100,81
27=12618000,H,20000000,28,80,69
28=12632000,V,20000000,29,80,81
29=12647000,H,20000000,30,60,62
30=12661000,V,20000000,31,80,79
31=12676000,H,20000000,32,80,69
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Step 7: In MyTheater on the Satellites window you will see some buttons one of them says Import press this button and browse to where you saved the Nimiq91.ini file, select this file and import it into MyTheater.
You should now have a new satellite that says Nimiq 1 (ExpressVU) Highlight this satellite by clicking on it with your mouse.
Right below the satellites box are 3 text boxes put 91 in the first box, leave the second box alone and in the third box select SIMPLE1 from the dropdown.
Again at the bottom of the screen there is a button marked APPLY press this button to save your settings.
In the next set of text boxes put 11250000 in the field LOF1, leave the second field SW at 0, and put 11250000 in the third field LOF2, you will have to type these numbers in manually to set them. When you hare entered these settings press the apply button to save your settings.
You are now ready to scan the satellite for channels. On the other side of the satellites windows you will see a list of available transponders, and below this you will see 3 Blue buttons press the one marked Sel All, this will highlight all the transponders for the satellite, now press the scan button. A new screen will pop up to show you the transponder being scanned and the results. on the Nimig 1 Satellite you should have 450+ Channels after the scan is done. Close the Scan window and then close the LNB Settings window. On the Right side of your screen under the channels list you should now have a new satellite listed (Nimiq91), In front of it is a +sign press it and you should see all your channels.
Step 8: Check for audio and video, select a channel that has a red dot beside it and double click on it within a few seconds you should start seeing and hearing your program, if you don't keep reading. If you don't get audio and video after a minute or so then something is wrong and while I can't troubleshoot everything here these are the most common problems and how to solve them.
First off right click on the video window and when the menu pops up check and see if the selection marked Video On/Off has a checkmark beside it, if it doesn't then click on it to turn it on.
If you still don't have video try another channel and see if that works, some of the channels are HD and you can't receive them anyway.
Next check to see which graph you are using, right click on the video menu and when the menu pops up move your mouse down to the Graphs menu and there will be another menu, the Graph that is being used will have a check mark beside it make sure the one that is for your OS has a check mark beside it.
If you still aren't getting anything you probably have a key problem Right click on the video screen and go to the selection that says plugins select the MD API Wrapper and select it, this will bring up a window where you can check to see if your keys are valid. Across the top of the MD API Wrapper window are a set of menu choices, select the one that says Yankse, a menu will drop down, first of all make sure that the one marked ACTIVE has a check mark beside it.
Next click on the one that says show monitor a new screen will pop up and here we can check and see if our keyfile is valid. In the box marked Key there should be a set of numbers, if they aren't there you have an invalid keyfile, the box could also show an error message, no key, invalid key, etc.
If this is the case then get another keyfile and try again.
Select the MD API Wrapper to show available plugins
Normally all of the boxes in the monitor screen will show numbers in them, the only one that you are interested in is the box labeled Key, you should see a set of numbers and or letters in this box, if it says NO KEY, or INVALID KEY then your keyfile is not valid and you will either need a new one or if you are able create a new one.
NOTE: A plugin called Fenrir is supposed to pick up the new keys from the datastream. While it does work some people have trouble getting it to work. I’d suggest you not try it until you get Yankse up and running first. Fenrir is not a necessary plugin. If/when the keys roll, you can always get them on the internet and then manually updated the SoftCam.key file.
Step 9: Turn off your computer and disconnect the Nimiq LNB connect the LNB for DishNet. Restart your computer.
Copy and Paste the following into notepad, save it as EStar119.ini.
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[SATTYPE]
1=119
2=EStar 119
[DVB]
0=21
1=12224000,V,20000000,-1,0,1
2=12239000,H,20000000,2,100,91
3=12253000,V,20000000,-1,0,4
4=12268000,H,20000000,4,100,87
5=12282000,V,20000000,65,75,47
6=12297000,H,20000000,6,100,88
7=12311000,V,20000000,67,100,55
8=12326000,H,20000000,8,100,88
9=12341000,V,20000000,-1,0,4
10=12355000,H,20000000,10,100,90
11=12370000,V,20000000,11,100,90
12=12384000,H,20000000,12,100,87
13=12399000,V,20000000,13,100,83
14=12414000,H,20000000,14,100,88
15=12428000,V,20000000,15,100,85
16=12443000,H,20000000,16,100,86
17=12457000,V,20000000,17,100,81
18=12472000,H,20000000,18,100,90
19=12486000,V,20000000,19,100,85
20=12501000,H,20000000,20,100,86
21=12516000,V,20000000,21,100,86
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Follow exactly the same procedure as you did in Step 7 and scan the satellite
You should find 300+ channels
Check to see if they are being decoded properly the same way you did in step 8 if they are the you can go to the next step and hook up your diseqc switch.
Step 10: Turn off your computer and disconnect the LNB cable. Connect a piece of cable between the terminal marked receiver of the diseqc switch and the LNB Input of your DVBCard, Connect the Nimiq91 cable to the LNB1 terminal of the diseqc switch, then Connect the Dishnet cable to the LNB2 terminal of the diseqc switch. Restart your computer and then start MyTheater. When MyTheater comes up Right click on your video screen and select LNB Settings, when the window pops up select the Nimiq91 satellite by clicking on it with your mouse, In the box directly below the satellites from the dropdown that says SIMPLE1 change it to V1.0-LNB1 press the apply button. Select the EStar 119 satellite in the satellites list and then change the box showing SIMPLE1 to V1.0-LNB2 and press the apply button.
LNB Settings Screen showing proper LNB Setting for Diseqc switch
If you did everything like you were supposed to you should now be able to switch back and forth between Bell and Dish without any problems, I have been using this setup for a short while and while there are a few minor problems they aren't enough to be concerned about.
MyTheater seems to be quite a good program, it does have a few bugs in it (IE: Freezing) but I have found that by editing your channel lists you can get rid of most of them. Be Warned - if you select a channel that is in HDTV the program will try to receive and decode it your CPU usage will go to 100% and it will take a few minutes for the system to recover, some of the guys are testing these cards to receive HDTV but there doesn't seem to be much success, most people are probably better off waiting till an HDTV card is released.
Notes and Problem Solving
Directshow Errors, Program Errors
Make sure that you have completely installed MyTheater, with all of the filters, if you didn’t do a complete install or aren’t sure if you did a complete install do a complete Reinstall and make sure that you select to install all the filters. (See Step 2)
No Channels Found During Scan
There could be several problems that cause this I am only going to go over the most common ones.
1. Make sure you dish is pointed correctly for the satellite you want to receive.
2. Are you hooked up directly to the LNB, If Not remove any devices that could be interferring with your signal IE diseqc switch, SW-21 switch, Distribution switch. By hooking directly to the LNB you get a better signal for scanning and it is much easier to troubleshoot problems. (See Step 3).
No Video
Check your keyfile (Softcam.Key) (See Step 2)
Where can I get a keyfile
Same place everybody else does look for it, search in the forums, links to it are there, or edit your own. (See Step 2)
Can You Send Me A Copy Of Your Keyfile
The short answer is NO. If you read this you can create your own.
MyTheater freezes up on me what is the problem?
1. You machine isn’t fast enough Minimum 1000Mhz, 512Meg Ram if your using AMD get an even faster processor.
2. What is running on your machine besides MyTheater check your taskmanager to see. Some things that can affect freezing are, an active internet connection, memory managers, applications that you have left running in the background. You have to realize when My Theater is displaying video that is not the only job it is doing, it is decoding and decrypting the satellite stream, converting the mpeg stream to a format that you can view on your PC or TV, and processing the audio, this is a lot for a single processor to handle. The bottom line is simple the less you are running with MyTheater the less freezes you will get.
3. Dishnet and Bell both send down a lot of ECM’s while these don’t hurt your card or software they can cause intermittent freezes.
4. If you happen to select or switch to an HDTV channel your machine will probably Freeze, at least momentairly.
5. The Graphs in MyTheater are a problem, Some work on some machine and not on others My system currently runs for about 8 hours per day, and it does not freeze up or quit on me, the graph I am using is the WinXP V-Sonic, A-InterVideo FX.GRF included with MyTheater, however the sonic decoder was giving me some headaches so I deleted it with graphedit and changed it to the cinemaster decoder and renamed the file to WinXP V-Cine, A-InterVideo FX.GRF. Problem solved for me at least, as I said it runs for at least 8 hours with no freezing and I have run it for as many as 20 without a freeze-up.
The Remote that came with my VP-1020 card doesn’t work.
Try plugging it in. The USB Receiver is an HID Keyboard, it will work in MyTheater but it isn’t a remote to control your computer. If you want to see if it is working open notepad and press the number keys they should be displayed in notepad if the remote is working.
The Software and where to get it.
MyTheater 2.76 http://www.mytheatre.da.ru/
Video Codecs http://mirror01.iptelecom.net.ua/~video/
Yankse http://yankse.dvbnetwork.com/
Powerstrip http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ps.htm
DirectX 9 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/
Media Player 9 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/
MDWrapper: http://dvbsoft.rvsnet.cz/files/MDWrapper126d.zip
I hope this guide gets you up and running without too many problems…. Just remember this is called testing, the guide probably will not solve all your problems but it should get you well on the road to having a solid system, that is as long as you are willing to try and find some solutions on your own.
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Okay just thougt I would add a little to johnbulks FINE post's.
I hope this helps out some of you with burning your recorded DVB dishnet files to DVD
Thanks to argan from DVBN forums for his method.
Okay I got it to work perfectly, the quality looks good on my 53" Pioneer in Natrual wide screen, here is what I did and thanks to argan who steered me in the right direction
I used these 2 software applications – DVD patcher 1.06 and TMPGEnc DVD Authour 1.5.20.62, with the TSP-AC3-1.06 patch.
1. As per argan DVD Author won’t accept a DVB recorded file that is not DVD compliant. To get the non-standard file into DVD Author, you have to tell some lies to the application. You do this by changing the file header with DVDPatcher.
2. Open DVDPatcher and open the recorded DVB dishnet mpeg file. Select a bitrate of 8Mbps, I used Aspect 16:9 because I have a High Def TV (argan suggests Aspect 4:3), Horizontal Size 720, Vertical Size 480, Frame Rate 29.97, and First Header Only. Patch the file.
3. Open DVD Author and create a new project. Open the mpeg file. You will get an error regarding the non-standard GOP’s that are built into the Dish Network stream. Ignore the error.
4. You can edit the clip and trim out anything you don’t want to be in the final DVD. You can make menus with scene selections. Set up the type of menu you want, and “Output” the DVD files or image as you wish.
5. Once I did this I wrote it to an ISO. Once the ISO was done I used Nero 6.3 to write the ISO.
Originally I had some problems writing the DVD but it turned out to be Memorex DVD- disks. My advice DO NOT use Memorex disks they are CRAP, CRAP, CRAP!!!!
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johnbuk Mar 1 2004, 10:59 PM Post #5
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An Alternative EPG NEW
myHTPC
OK- myHTPC has been around for about a year now, so it's not exactly new. What's new is better support for myTheatre and ProgDVB and better support for Windows 98 and ME (older versions required XP or 2000).
What is it?
myHTPC is a frontend program that allows you to manage a lot of different types of multimedia files and has a plugin that allows you to run an EPG with MyTheatre or ProgDVB that pulls EPG data from the the Zap2it web site (and allows you to schedule recordings and switch channels through the myHTPC interface). I'm still trying to get it to work properly myself, but it looks really cool and appears to be very similar to the multimedia program that is a part of Windows XP Media Center edition. myHTPC is free and allows you to share multimedia files across a network. Info can be found on this web site (and they have their own forum):
http://myhtpc.net/
If you try myHTPC and get it to work for you, please post your results.
If/when I get it set up and running properly myself, I will add directions to this post.
UPDATE: March 6- Spent about 4 hours trying to get myHTPC to work. Can't get XMLTV automate to work without errors and can't get BSPepg to work at all. Have made many changes to the ini files and they don't seem to help much (just lead to different errors). I've read enough to know that myHTPC can work with ProgDVB and works well with myTheatre, but I'm giving up for the time being. I'm sure I'll try again another day, but if any of you get it up and running, please post.
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SIZE=7]BSPepg-2.1 for use with myHTPC[/SIZE]
It will probably be this weekend before I have time to really work on getting myHTPC up and running, but here's a link for any of you that might be trying to get it to work:
http://www.gs.ru/soft/ss1/tv/bspdvb/BSPepg-2.1.zip
This link will download a program called BSPepg-2.1 which you can use to download EPG data from the sat stream. BSPepg-2.1 is not an EPG program itself. It simply downloads the EPG data from the stream and puts it in a XMLTV format that can then be used by the myHTPC EPG plugin.
BSPepg-2.1 requires a Nexus card (it won't work with other cards).
The advantage that BSPepg-2.1 has over Zap2it is that by downloading EPG data from the stream, you get PPV info (and info on the locals from the Dish sats).
I plan on trying to obtain EPG data for myHTPC using both BSPepg-2.1 (which pulls info from the sat stream) and XMLTV Automate (which pulls from the Zap2it web site) and will report my results.
UPDATE: There is a BSPepg-3.0 on the mtHTPC web site:
http://www.myhtpc.net/
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A little more help for MyTheatre Users
For those still having a problem with no picture and no sound with dishnet setup and are running the latest Fenrir and Yanksee plugins try this
I have it running no problem and thanks to ZiplocBodyBag for it. The bold text is the text that he refers to paste!
QUOTE ("ZiplocBodyBag")
UPDATE (Satellites INNER JOIN Transponders ON Satellites.SatID=Transponders.SatID) INNER JOIN (PIDType RIGHT JOIN (Favorites RIGHT JOIN (Channels INNER JOIN PIDs ON Channels.CHID=PIDs.CHID) ON Favorites.FavID=Channels.FavID) ON PIDType.Type=PIDs.Type) ON Transponders.TranspID=Channels.TranspID SET PIDs.Sel = 1
WHERE (((Satellites.Name) Like "echo*") AND ((PIDs.Opt1)=6144) AND ((PIDs.Type)=6));
ok here is a step-by on how to use simple dish1800pidselect query:
1. make a backup copy of channels.mdb
2. open channels.mdb in msaccess
3. click on queries
4. click on create query in design view
5. close table selection window(leave empty query open)
6. click on sql in toolbar or right-click and select sql view
7. paste text of query
8. save query with a name you like
9. run query
10. delete query or not up to you...
11. test ..... hopefully watch tv
Also here is a good ini list for those who want to run 110 and 119. Before you do the query thing above, go to the "Settings", LNB/DiSeqc settings & Scan". Edit the Satellites that you want, I would delete the ones you don't want. If your going to use the ini list here (I didn't do it and am not taking credit for it) then you will have to use the import option. It is decribed in Johnbuk's post above. Use the LOF1 11250000 SW=0 and LOF2 11250000. Then select and scan all. Don't run the query above until you do this.
Good Luck I have 305 channels or so with this setup
[SATTYPE]
1=2455
2=EchoStar 7+5/8 (SW21)
[DVB]
0=64
1=12224,V,20000,0
2=12253,V,20000,0
3=12282,V,20000,0
4=12311,V,20000,0
5=12341,V,20000,0
6=12370,V,20000,0
7=12399,V,20000,0
8=12428,V,20000,0
9=12457,V,20000,0
10=12486,V,20000,0
11=12516,V,20000,0
12=12545,V,20000,0
13=12574,V,20000,0
14=12603,V,20000,0
15=12632,V,20000,0
16=12661,V,20000,0
17=12239,H,20000,0
18=12268,H,20000,0
19=12297,H,20000,0
20=12326,H,20000,0
21=12355,H,20000,0
22=12384,H,20000,0
23=12414,H,20000,0
24=12443,H,20000,0
25=12472,H,20000,0
26=12501,H,20000,0
27=12530,H,20000,0
28=12559,H,20000,0
29=12588,H,20000,0
30=12618,H,20000,0
31=12647,H,20000,0
32=12676,H,20000,0
33=12224,V,20000,0
34=12253,V,20000,0
35=12282,V,20000,0
36=12311,V,20000,0
37=12341,V,20000,0
38=12370,V,20000,0
39=12399,V,20000,0
40=12428,V,20000,0
41=12457,V,20000,0
42=12486,V,20000,0
43=12516,V,20000,0
44=12545,V,20000,0
45=12574,V,20000,0
46=12603,V,20000,0
47=12632,V,20000,0
48=12661,V,20000,0
49=12239,H,20000,0
50=12268,H,20000,0
51=12297,H,20000,0
52=12326,H,20000,0
53=12355,H,20000,0
54=12384,H,20000,0
55=12414,H,20000,0
56=12443,H,20000,0
57=12472,H,20000,0
58=12501,H,20000,0
59=12530,H,20000,0
60=12559,H,20000,0
61=12588,H,20000,0
62=12618,H,20000,0
63=12647,H,20000,0
64=12676,H,20000,0
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great work guys
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johnbuk Mar 5 2004, 07:49 PM Post #9
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Guide to MDYankse
How To Create a softcam.key file
Most, if not all of this information was included in the Guides to Setting Up ProgDVB an MyTheatre.
However, I’m placing this in it’s own section because I think that it’s important that you understand how to write a softcam.key file for use with MDYankse for a couple of reasons:
1) Over the past couple of years Bev and Dish have periodically changed the way that they encrypt their public keys. When these changes occur, it usually takes anywhere from a few days to a few weeks in order for a fix to come out that can handle the new key encryption. When this happens, if you have been using Fenrir (or Snitch, or any other similar plugin) to roll the keys, it will stop working until a new version is written. Until a new key rolling plugin comes out, the only way to watch TV using your DVB card will be to create your own softcam.key file (or to download one from someplace, but it’s really not that difficult to create your own).
2) Some people no matter what they have tried, cannot get Fenrir or any other similar key rolling programs to work. Fenrir (which will be detailed in a Guide following this post) is not a necessary program, especially since Dish and Bev have not been rolling the keys very often lately.
To use MDYankse with ProgDVB and/or MyTheatre, first set up the program that you want to use and make sure you get the free channels (for more details on this, see the posts at the beginning of this topic).
Then you will need the following:
1) The latest version of MDYankse
The latest releases MDYankse can usually be found on either of these 2 sites or by doing a google search:
http://www.dvbcards.com/
http://multidec.host.sk/en
2) The Nagrakey.txt, file which is in included in this zip file (from the Bev Files- Other section here at Dishnewbies):
http://www.dishnewbies.com/Forum/index.php...e=post&id=92891
3) A softcam.key (which we will create).
4) MDWrapper (necessary for MyTheatre, not needed for ProgDVB)
Can be found on the MyTheatre web site:
http://www.dvbcore.com/
Step 1- Installing MDYankse and Nagrakey.txt
For ProgDVB
Close ProgDVB
If you previously installed Fenrir, delete fenrir.dll and fenrir.ini from the ProgDVB root directory.
Unzip the MDYankse files into the ProgDVB root directory (usually c:\ProgDVB\).
(If your OS is Windows 2000 or XP, then use the Yankse.dll file. If your OS is Windows 98 or ME, then use the Yankse_98.dll file. DO NOT use both files, as they will interfere with each other.)
Create a subfolder in your ProgDVB root directory called “Nagra” without the quotation marks (usually c”\ProgDVB\Nagra\).
Unzip the Nagrakey.txt file into this subfolder.
Go to Step 2
For MyTheatre
Close MyTheatre
Install MDWrapper.
If you previously installed Fenrir and MDWrapper, then delete fenrir.dll and fenrir.ini from the MDPlugin directory.
Unzip the MDYankse files into the MDPlugin directory that was created when you installed MDWrapper.
(If your OS is Windows 2000 or XP, then use the Yankse.dll file. If your OS is Windows 98 or ME, then use the Yankse_98.dll file. DO NOT use both files, as they will interfere with each other.)
Create a subfolder in your MDPlugin directory called “Nagra” without the quotation marks.
Unzip the Nagrakey.txt file into this subfolder.
Go to Step 2
Step 2- Creating a softcam.key file
Open Windows Notepad (or Wordpad)
Cut and past everything in between the following quotation marks into Notepad. (Do not copy the quotation marks. If the quotation marks get pasted in Notepad along with everything else then delete the quotation marks in Notepad):
“
;===============================================================
N 0001 00 BDA67EDB203205B5; Dishnetwork;
N 0001 01 DDE6A7AE3677D4EB; Dishnetwork;
;===============================================================
N 0801 00 82D751E45B979D81; ExpressVu;
N 0801 01 655746143602D8DA; ExpressVu;
;===============================================================
"
Name this file softcam and save it to the ProgDVB root directory or the MyTheatre MDPlugin directory (depending on which program you are using). Notepad will automatically give the file a .txt extension, so after you saved the file, find it in Windows Explorer and rename it in to softcam.key.
I don’t know if the above keys are valid or not, however you can change the keys by editing the softcam.key file all you need are the current keys as used by the people that are running Testing cards these keys are in the following format and are available on a number of sites on the internet.
EXAMPLE:
Current Keys
Dish Network
KEY0: BD A6 7E DB 20 32 05 B5
KEY1: DD E6 A7 AE 36 77 D4 EB
ExpressVu
AUX0: 82 D7 51 E4 5B 97 9D 81
AUX1: 65 57 46 14 36 02 D8 DA
To use these keys for Dishnet use the following template
For Key 0
N 0001 00 BDA67EDB203205B5 Key 0 from above with spaces removed
For Key 1
N 0001 01 DDE6A7AE3677D4EB Key 1 from above with spaces removed
Follow this same format for setting up the Bell Keys.
Some site where you can usually find up-to-date keys:
Here at Dishnewbies (on the main page before you get to the forums)
http://www.kickinchicken.org/
http://www.maestra.tv/
http://www.sattech.ca/
http://www.bevkeys.com/
Open ProgDVB or MyTheatre.
If you wrote the softcam.key file correctly, you should be able to click on any of the encrypted channels and watch TV.
If you’re not able to watch the encrypted channels, try to click the read keys function in the Yankse Plugin.
If reading the keys manually doesn’t work, then you probably either placed the Nagrakey.txt file in the wrong place or you made a mistake when creating your softcam.key file. Reread these directions carefully and then ask questions if you can’t figure out what went wrong.
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Guide to Fenrir
This guide was adapted from a post by Giver over on the DVB Network site. I modified Giver’s post a quite a bit, adding some information and the links. Thanks Giver.
Fenrir is a plugin that can be used with multidec programs (such as ProgDVB) and dvbcore programs (such as RitzDVB and MyTheatre) to pull the public keys from the satellite stream.
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NOTE: These instructions are not needed if you decide to use the latest version of Fenrir that is posted on Dishnewbies in the Bev Files- Other section at this link (and is detailed in the Guide to Setting Up ProgDVB at the beginning of this topic):
http://www.dishnewbies.com/Forum/index.php...=post&id=105447
I can confirm that this version, while not in English, is currently (as of today, March 5) working for me for both Dish and Bev. You still have to have MDYankse installed first and you have to manually delete the softcam.key (if it is present), but since this version is run from an executable, it does all of the set up work for you.
I’m including these instructions for:
-Anyone who is having problems with Fenrir.
-In the event that Dish and/or Bev change the way that they are encrypting the public keys and a new version of Fenrir comes out that addresses the new encryption, but does not include an executable.
-Anyone who is testing irdeto and/or viaccess systems.
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Prior to setting up Fenrir, follow the instructions in the Guide for Setting Up MDYankse. If MDYankse doesn’t work for you using a softcam.key file, then Fenrir will not work.
To set up Fenrir (after you have gotten MDYankse to work on it’s own), you need:
1) Latest FENRIR release.
The latest release of Fenrir can usually be found on either of these 2 sites or by doing a google search:
http://www.dvbcards.com/
http://multidec.host.sk/en
2) Ird-beta.kid (for irdeto)
(Can sometimes be found by doing a web search)
3) Viaccess.sci (for viaccess)
(Can sometimes be found by doing a web search)
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For Nagravision (Dish and/or Bev)
Progdvb
Close ProgDVB.
Delete the softcam.key file from the ProgDVB root directory.
Delete any other .key files that may be present in the ProgDVB root directory.
DO NOT delete the Nagrakey.txt file that must be in the Nagra directory (usually c:\ProgDVB\Nagra\).
Unzip the fenrir files into the ProgDVB root directory.
Start ProgDVB.
Go to plugins, then the Fenrir monitor. It should display the emm pid.
To log for keys, you have to make sure the emm pid is checked, then also check analyze to start logging. The * will start blinking as the only sign the emm pid is being analyzed.
Once the keys are found, you should uncheck analyze and close/hide Fenrir, make sure ACTIVE is not checked (you don't need to run Fenrir all the time unless the provider update keys too often)
MyTheatre/RitzDVB
Close MyTheatre
Unzip Fenrir to the MDPlugin directory.
Delete the softcam.key file from the MDPlugin directory.
Delete any other .key files that may be present in the MDPlugin directory.
DO NOT delete the Nagrakey.txt file that must be in the Nagra directory within the MDPlugin directory.
Unzip the fenrir files into the MDPlugin directory.
Start MyTheatre.
Go to plugins, then the Fenrir monitor. It should display the emm pid.
To log for keys, you have to make sure the emm pid is checked, then also check analyze to start logging. The * will start blinking as the only sign the emm pid is being analyzed.
Once the keys are found, you should uncheck analyze and close/hide Fenrir, make sure ACTIVE is not checked (you don't need to run Fenrir all the time unless the provider update keys too often)
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For irdeto/viaccess
Instructions are the same as for Nagravision except that you must have either the Ird-beta.kid file (for irdeto) or the Viaccess.sci file (for Viaccess). These files contain the log keys and can sometimes be found by doing a web search. If you would like to try creating your own log key file, instructions for doing so are included in the Fenrir readme that is generally included when you download Fenrir. The info needed is taken from working smartcards.
These files (unlike the Nagrakey.txt file which gets placed in it’s own subfolder named Nagra) need to be placed in the directory where the Fenrir.dll is located (in ProgDVB’s root directory or in MyTheatre’s Plugin directory).
These files are as important as the Nagrakey.txt file for Nagravision providers. Without these files, you can't log keys with Fenrir in any way.
Some irdeto providers change keys too many times daily, so it is important to set Fenrir to ACTIVE permanently.
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Remember that by using Fenrir’s default settings, it does not write keys to the softcam.key file, it writes keys to the nagra.key, ird-beta.key and viaccess.key files.
It’s very important to read and understand where the files to be read by Fenrir and MDYankse are supposed to be located since those paths will determine the proper operation of this plugins. The Yankse.dll needs to read the files from the same folder where it is located. By making changes to the Fenrir.ini file, you can change the paths where Fenrir will save the key files.
Q: What keys can Fenrir update?
A: All those encryption systems where the card's keys are known and you have access to- Nagravision1, irdeto1, viaccess1, seca1. Newer versions where cards cannot be open, like Nagravision2, irdeto2, viaccess2, etc., do not with Fenrir, as little is known or not enough is known about them.
Q: I don't see fenrir in the plugin menu.
A: Make sure Fenrir.dll is in the correct directory:
Should be in the MDplugin directory for MT/Ritzdvb or in the root directory for ProgDVB.
Q: I open the Fenrir monitor, but I don't see any emm pid listed.
A: Make sure Yankse plugin is installed. Make sure you are in a working and encrypted channel. Make sure the Yankse monitor shows CA id listed and detected. Make sure the correct ecm is selected by double clicking in the CA id listed.
If simulcrypt (meaning more than one CA id is listed), double click on the appropiate CA id.
Q: I see the * blinking, but Fenrir doesn't find any keys.
A: This might be produced by many factors. The usual one is that you don't have the correct keys (in nagrakey.txt or ird-beta.kid or viaccess.sci). Other problems might be a bad combination of program/yankse/mdwrapper versions. You usually want to make sure that you have the latest versions of all the programs and plugins, but some people have better luck using older versions.
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If are having problems with Fenrir, or with anything else relating to your DVB setup, when asking questions, please include the following information:
-System you’re trying to test
-Model of DVB Card
-Versions of program that you are using and versions of any plugins
-PC info including OS
Example of a question with enough info for someone to possibly begin helping you find an answer without first asking a bunch of follow up questions about your setup:
Q: Fenrir won’t update the keys. I see the blinking *, but Yankse never updates to the latest keys. My setup info:
Pointed at the 61.5 Dish sat
Nexus-S card
ProgDVB v4.07
MDYankse1.04
Fenrir 1.03
PIII 800
512 MB Ram
64 MB Video card
Windows 2000
A. In this case the problem is probably that the person is using old versions of ProgDVB, MDYankse, and Fenrir.
If they had simply stated the question without the info about their setup, then there is no way that an educated answer could have been given without asking a bunch of follow up questions.
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Clumppy Mar 6 2004, 01:59 AM Post #11
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Awesome guides guys. I don't think anyone could get lost with these.
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I spent this week upgrading to Windows XP. I've never had a problem with Windows ME (or 98 or 95 before that), but I wanted to try some of the newer DVB progies out there and got a good deal from a friend who had bought a full version of XP that he never used. I debated about whether to go to XP on my HTPC (which is a pretty old machine) or to give Linux a try. After spending several weeks reading about Linux, I decided that it would require more time than I was willing or able to commit, so I went with the upgrade to XP instead. The installation of XP was more difficult then I ever imagined. OK, it wasn't that it was difficult, it was that it was a pain in the ass and frustrating. None of the drivers that installed with XP worked worth a damn and I spent a good part of the week downloading the proper drivers.
While I didn't get that much done the rest of this week, tonight was very productive. I got XMLTV automate, BSPepg, and 2 different versions of MyTheatre up and running. (I got myHTPC to run both MyTheatre and PrgoDVB, but I still can't get the EPG in myHTPC to work. I think that my problem with the EPG in myHTPC may be due to my old, slow PC.)
The guide that I posted here to MyTheatre works great if you are installing myTheatre 2.76 (the last free version), but wasn't much help with the latest version (3.12).
I played around with the latest version of myTheatre for a while tonight and I thought I'd post my quick impressions for anyone still considering purchasing a DVB card. myTheatre isn't any anywhere near as user friendly as ProgDVB. ProgDVB is easier to set up and easier to navigate once it is set up. If you don't care about an EPG, then IMO, ProgDVB is the way to go. However, the latest EPG for myTheatre is miles ahead of anything available for ProgDVB and myTheatre does a much better job of recording shows. If the latest myTheatre EPG were accessible from my TV's OSD, then it would be extremely close to emulating the feel of my 2700 IRD (only with the option of being able to record shows).
I'll try and follow this up with a guide on setting up MyTheatre 3.12 within the next week or so and then I plan on starting to play around with a newer software out there that that is also based on DVBcore called DVBDream and will post my results after trying it.
Happy testing.
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Here's a link to an online guide to MyTheatre. I had intended to try and write a guide for setting up MyTheatre 3.12 specifically addressing some of the settings that are not touched on in the guide to setting up MyTheatre 2.76 above, but the in this link includes pics and goes into more detail that I ever could on my own:
http://www.dvbwholesale.com/My_Theater_eng...glish_help.html
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I am really needing help here I did exactly like you said and I am still not getting anything. It is showing that I have no plugins installed yet when I go to the folder it has all the plugins there help me please someone.
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Thank you for this excellent Guide to Setting Up ProgDVB, worked first time thru. My dvb board was junk until i came here and read this!
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